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Thoughts on getting a self assessment requirement withdrawn


S/T registered as self employed later 2018. Commenced trading early 2019. Ceased trading May 2019. Obviously spans 2 tax years.  Has been put into SA (obviously) by HMRC and nudged for tax return given deadline imminent.

T/o  pretty minimal, from verbal could even be below £1000 so could utilise full Trading allowance so tax take = nil.    But need to verify.

What are the chances at this stage of having the requirement to complete a SA withdrawn for both years?   What is best way to achieve this  - just a call?    Individual has not told HMRC no longer S/e so can be achieved at same time?

 

Other alternative is to complete showing full income/expenditure which is expected to show a loss that is un-relievable.

From what I can ascertain no need for Class 2 NI to be 'paid' to build up entitlement (but need to double check).



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 Joanne  

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You should check out answers with reference to the legal position (and my that I dont mean with HMRC)



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Oh and by the way this one has no tax agent! (So no can do with a call to the agent line!!!!!!)

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 Joanne  

Thoughts are my own/not to be regarded as official advice,which should be sought from a suitably qualified Accountant.

You should check out answers with reference to the legal position (and my that I dont mean with HMRC)



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Hi Joanne

Can't see the harm in trying.  I've had one rescinded where the final turnover was under the trading allowance and I just didn't see the point in submitting it. HMRC agreed with me.  

If you do the 64/8 now it should be back before Christmas.



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Jay


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Hi 

I have always found HMRC very reasonable with this sort of issue.  I did one last week regarding the £1000 threshold and the current Return was cancelled without a problem.

Log onto your HMRC Account and get authorised online quicker. 

 

BW

 

Jay



-- Edited by Jay on Sunday 8th of December 2019 03:00:54 PM

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Master Book-keeper

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Thank you boys. Thought it might be out of time for a 64-8 given the snail mail process.

Did you get yours sorted with just an online authorisation Jay? Reckon you just landed lucky with the call handler as they dont like talking when its only an online auth. What phone number did you use?

Thanks again.

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 Joanne  

Thoughts are my own/not to be regarded as official advice,which should be sought from a suitably qualified Accountant.

You should check out answers with reference to the legal position (and my that I dont mean with HMRC)

Jay


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There should be no difference to HMRC's response to a 64-8 or an online authorisation.  I cannot remember the last time I sent a 64-8. You may have just been unlucky.

I use the Agent helpline   0300 200 3311  open until 8:00pm.

 

BW

 

Jay

 

 



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Hi Jay
Im always unlucky. Cannot tell you the number of times Ive had 'we havent got a 64-8 so we cannot talk to you!' despite having online agent authority (for other taxes as well!). To the point where I just got the written forms all signed and sent off, so just missing now for recent takes ons.

Thanks for the info, including the phone number. Thats the one I use, was wondering if I might be missing a trick!

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 Joanne  

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You should check out answers with reference to the legal position (and my that I dont mean with HMRC)

Jay


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Sorry to hear of your problems.

The online authority was introduced with a view to the system being automated. It will eventually be phased out altogether.

I would argue that if you can see your clients details online then you must have authority.

 

BW 

 

Jay



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I have just checked the HMRC guidance and it states that :

If you act as a tax agent or adviser, you must have formal authorisation to deal with HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) on your clients behalf.

Its easiest to do this online using HMRC Online Services. If you cant set up authorisation online, you will need to get your client to complete one of HMRCs paper authorisation forms.

I read this as suggesting they want online authorisation and only suggest 64-8 etc if this is not possible.

 

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Jay



-- Edited by Jay on Monday 9th of December 2019 07:01:30 PM

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Hi Joanne

When I said 64/8 I meant online authorisation, sorry.  The only time I've done a manual 64/8 was when I took on a property client last year, and I couldn't do it online. It took weeks.

I've never had an issue with cancelling a return, and I must have done 3 or 4 now.

You have been unlucky with the helplines, usually find the handlers helpful and never been told I need a manual 64/8.  I would ask to speak to someone higher if it happens again.  



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Thanks again boys.

Not seen the figures yet - keep your fingers crossed! Online applied for, but have 62-8 as my backup plan, although I will be quoting their own website back at them first (thanks Jay).

Maybe HMRC are monitoring my messages on here after all! Or maybe its cos I keep giving that pal of mine, who works for them, some grief and my name is now black-listed!



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 Joanne  

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You should check out answers with reference to the legal position (and my that I dont mean with HMRC)

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