hallo again + payroll questions - The Book-keepers Forum (UK)

rafapak · Senior Member

hallo again + payroll questions

Cheshire · Master Book-keeper

Hi Rafal
Unfortunately this forum is no longer the same.

People only come on here when they want something and never engage the rest of the time, not even in the fun things that folk used to post - so now folk have stopped posting the fun things.

There are less than half a dozen of us who respond and mostly without a thank you, nor even an acknowledgement of responses, so even those half a dozen dont really engage even on a daily basis as we used to. Just pop in every few days to (still) respond to folk, although increasingly wonder why we bother.

Anyway - good to see you are still about and persuing matters in this mad world.

I can only really recommend CIPP, which is Chartered payroll, because the rest have seen too many folk asking too many basic questions.

rafapak · Senior Member

thanks Joanne for reply. It is sad to hear that forum changed. Thanks for recommending payroll website to me.

-- Edited by rafapak on Saturday 26th of October 2019 01:54:28 PM

Leger · Master Book-keeper

Hi Rafal

I've just looked up the cost of CIPP training and level 1 £180 level 2 £280 and (wait for it) £1495 online or around £3000 for face to face tuition. All plus VAT.

That said CIPP is the leading training provider and if you're looking for a career in payroll I would say the cost is justified, but not if it's just a bolt on to your existing bookkeeping business.

If that's outside your budget it may be worth looking at ICB at around £350, but obviously the course won't be as comprehensive as SIPP

-- Edited by Leger on Sunday 27th of October 2019 09:05:20 AM

Leger · Master Book-keeper

Cheshire wrote:
People only come on here when they want something and never engage the rest of the time, not even in the fun things that folk used to post - so now folk have stopped posting the fun things.

Fun, you want fun?

Fun you will get, watch this space!

I agree with your sentiments though, the banter has more or less gone because so few are posting.

rafapak · Senior Member

Leger wrote:
Hi Rafal
I've just looked up the cost of CIPP training and level 1 £180 level 2 £280 and (wait for it) £1495 online or around £3000 for face to face tuition. All plus VAT.
That said CIPP is the leading training provider and if you're looking for a career in payroll I would say the cost is justified, but not if it's just a bolt on to your existing bookkeeping business.
If that's outside your budget it may be worth looking at ICB at around £350, but obviously the course won't be as comprehensive as SIPP

-- Edited by Leger on Sunday 27th of October 2019 09:05:20 AM

thanks Leger for reply. I was thinking about buying books from iab website. They offer books for level 1, level 2 and level 3

https://www.iab.org.uk/shop/

I want to learn payroll because I believe the largest number of businesses are small businesses and if you want to provide services for small businesses you have to know accountancy plus payroll because small businesses employ people. If you work in tax office that offers services for small businesses people will always ask you about recent changes in laws regarding taxation, insurance etc. I go to small tax office everyday for free cause I don't have enough experience to ask them for money. Everyday I see what life in tax office is and in my opinion you need really broad knowledge about payroll. You have to know how to calculate holidays, how to calculate money you receive when you are sick etc. Looks like there is a lot to learn.

-- Edited by rafapak on Sunday 27th of October 2019 07:41:33 PM

-- Edited by rafapak on Sunday 27th of October 2019 07:44:48 PM

Cheshire · Master Book-keeper

Choose the course based on content. Ask at the practice you are working for what courses they have done.

You do not need to offer payroll as a bookkeeper/Accountant - you can outsource it. Many provide a white label service to Accountants who just cannot be bothered with payroll.

Are you looking to become a tax adviser? If so you probably should concentrate more on COIT/CTA alongside say ACCA.

Cheshire · Master Book-keeper

Leger wrote:
Cheshire wrote:
People only come on here when they want something and never engage the rest of the time, not even in the fun things that folk used to post - so now folk have stopped posting the fun things.
Fun, you want fun?
Fun you will get, watch this space!
I agree with your sentiments though, the banter has more or less gone because so few are posting.

Watching.

Although the cynic in me these days us sayng that only the same few will join in, not even the semi-regulars who come on here asking for assistance as its all a wee bit one way.

Apologies for the less than enthusiatic responses these days!!!!!

rafapak · Senior Member

Cheshire wrote:
Choose the course based on content. Ask at the practice you are working for what courses they have done.

You do not need to offer payroll as a bookkeeper/Accountant - you can outsource it. Many provide a white label service to Accountants who just cannot be bothered with payroll.

Are you looking to become a tax adviser? If so you probably should concentrate more on COIT/CTA alongside say ACCA.

thanks for reply. At the moment I don't live in UK but I plan to go to uk and continue my studies. Meanwhile I try to learn on my own . I have books for aat level 3 . I was told that in UK accountancy and payroll are rather separate meaning that seldom people do both at the same time. What you said Joanne confirms this. I am suprised because let's say tax office owner pays accountant 300 pounds weekly for his job . Business owner has a choice to hire payroll person and pay him or her another 300 or make an accountant do payroll without additional payment. There is difference between paying 600 weekly or 300 weekly.

Cheshire · Master Book-keeper

rafapak wrote:
let's say tax office owner pays accountant 300 pounds weekly for his job . Business owner has a choice to hire payroll person and pay him or her another 300 or make an accountant do payroll without additional payment. There is difference between paying 600 weekly or 300 weekly.

If the jobs are both worth £300, then:-

Accountant's work EXCLUDING payroll £300. Payroll person £300

or

Accountant's work INCLUDING payroll would be £600

An Accountant will charge fees based on the work they are scoped to do.